RP - A Cultural Interchange on Minmater Tattoos

***It Started from an exchange on the Summit***


[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Sid gave me a ship once! But now I think he is a meanie
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > /emote chuckles > Because he took so many? Nothing like a ship-Thief
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Oh my goodness I know Huh? ... meanie... *makes a sour face*
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Oh.. another one of Sid's conquests?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Trensk Mikakka giggles.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah raises an eyebrow > Thieves are good at charming people quickly.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > No!! It's not like that.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Otherwise, they would be one time thieves only.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar nods at Ayallah .
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > "If you say so Ms. Vyvorant.. you wouldn't be the first young woman to be taken in by his type."
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > I was NOT taken by that mean ol' Sid...
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant crosses her arms and looks anoyed
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar smiles slightly "Good, if that is so."
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > I was tryin' to help him be a non pirate 'cause that is what he really wanted to do.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar nods.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > But he couldn't help it... Pirate was in his DNA. It's True!
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Like me... My DNA has lots of Pep.. That is how come I'm Peppy.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > You may be right at that.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > It comes from the peptides
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > He wears the Pale Eye does he not?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Ya he does..
[ 2014.05.16 ] Morwen Lagann > Not the worst series of puns I've heard, but getting there.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > What exactly then did Gradient expect?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > I suspect he was an Avlynkaa vouch?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > She seems as though she would help a Pale Eye.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > hmm... I guess that could be it. I know Anabella wanted to help him too!
[ 2014.05.16 ] Diana Kim > DNA is a nucleic acid, Ms. Vyvorant, peptides are poly amino acids.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Trensk Mikakka > YES, YES, SCIENCE, WE KNOW.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > To me it's all hokus pokus
[ 2014.05.16 ] Trensk Mikakka > Semantics.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Ya! that too
[ 2014.05.16 ] Kyllsa Siikanen > It was Ava and Anabella, yes.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire rubs the side of her head
[ 2014.05.16 ] Shalinea Vyvorant > Oh my goodness Ava is your head ok?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > Why the fuck did she kick me?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > K literally walked in here and kicked me?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Samira Kernher > "Something about Sid, probably."
[ 2014.05.16 ] Trensk Mikakka > Because....she's crazy?...
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > Well, yes!
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > OW
[ 2014.05.16 ] Trensk Mikakka > Uh
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > Sid? What?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Samira Kernher > "that you vouched for him."
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > You vouched him into Gradient yes?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > ...
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > ...maybe...
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > You did.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Reko Blancwood > Hello Miss Starfire!
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > So?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > /emote sulks
[ 2014.05.16 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Ugh. Really, Ms. Starfire?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire sinks in her seat some
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > He is a Pale Eye.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > ....
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire squirms
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > So...?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > You should have known better.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Evi Polevhia > Pale eye?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Morwen Lagann > It's a voluval marking.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Evi Polevhia > Oh that stuff.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Nanites they say.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > You should be more sympathetic Evi.
[ 2014.05.16 Evi Polevhia > Why?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Both our cultures dictate order with Nanites no?
[ 2014.05.16 ] Evi Polevhia > I didn't realize your culture even had a fleeting affair with order.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Very different kinds of course.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > /emote murmurs a bit
[ 2014.05.16 ] Samira Kernher > "The voluval aren't nanites."
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Our order is a rise and a slow war drum. We do not need bright incursions to accoplish our goals
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > I didnt think it was an absolute.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ayallah > Nothing is.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > Then I did nothing wrong trusting him.
[ 2014.05.16 ] Ava Starfire > At least, it wasnt wrong due to the mark.

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2014.05.16 01:03:43

[ 2014.05.16 03:07:38 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Ms. starfire, I apoligize for the sudden invitation
[ 2014.05.16 03:07:44 ] Ava Starfire > /emote blinks
[ 2014.05.16 03:07:50 ] Samira Kernher > "... Surionen."
[ 2014.05.16 03:07:51 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > but I am curious as to what the significanceof the "pale eye" is..
[ 2014.05.16 03:07:52 ] Ava Starfire > Um
[ 2014.05.16 03:07:55 ] Ava Starfire > Hi.
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:01 ] Ava Starfire > Oh.
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:03 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > and this channel we designed for um... exchanges like this
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:06 ] Ava Starfire > It's the mark of a betrayer.
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:30 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote tilts her head slightly.
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:49 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > wouldn't that make everyone more distrustful of Mr. Afraldir?
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:55 ] Ava Starfire > Of those who have no concept of guilt, or shame.
[ 2014.05.16 03:08:56 ] Ava Starfire > Yes.
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:01 ] Ava Starfire > It does.
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:15 ] Ava Starfire > I just never really believed the voluval was an absolute indicator
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:26 ] Ava Starfire > I thought it hinted at aptitude, tendencies
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:49 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > I see.
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:50 ] Samira Kernher > "Has that changed?"
[ 2014.05.16 03:09:57 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > So I guess the motive was to try to give him, a pale eye, a chance when no one else would?
[ 2014.05.16 03:10:00 ] Ava Starfire > ....
[ 2014.05.16 03:10:12 ] Ava Starfire > I um. Yeah. I'm sort of big on second chances.
[ 2014.05.16 03:10:24 ] Ava Starfire > And um. No. I dont think I changed my mind, just cause of Sid. No.
[ 2014.05.16 03:11:18 ] Ava Starfire > I dont think a mark makes a person, I guess.
[ 2014.05.16 03:11:40 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote nods.
[ 2014.05.16 03:12:27 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Thanks for answering my question, I appreciate it. Umm.. feel free to drop in yourself should the urge for a cross cultural discussion arise on your end.
[ 2014.05.16 03:12:43 ] Ava Starfire > /emote looks at Samira
[ 2014.05.16 03:13:20 ] Ava Starfire > Thanks, Ms. Aspenstar. Um, I will try to um, not overstay my welcome.
[ 2014.05.16 03:15:42 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote nods with a slight smile.
[ 2014.05.16 03:16:30 ] Ava Starfire > Um. Bye, I suppose.
[ 2014.05.16 03:16:35 ] Ava Starfire > /emote waves a bit and poofs
[ 2014.05.16 03:16:50 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Interesting.
[ 2014.05.16 03:17:11 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Praetorian Kernher.. how did Mr. Alfradir get the mark in the first place? Was it tribal in original or amarr?
[ 2014.05.16 03:17:45 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > They have been estranged for quite some time so I am wondering if his own people did it.
[ 2014.05.16 03:18:05 ] Samira Kernher > "Tribal. It was his voluval. Tattoos are not permitted for Minmatar in the Empire."
[ 2014.05.16 03:18:12 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote nods.
[ 2014.05.16 03:18:28 ] Samira Kernher > "Every adult in the Republic gets one."
[ 2014.05.16 03:18:43 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Is it due to how a young adult is seen by his or her elders?
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:00 ] Samira Kernher > "No. You get the tattoo and it affects how you are viewed."
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:07 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > I see.. so he chose it?
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:16 ] Samira Kernher > "No, you don't choose your tattoos in the Republic."
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:30 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > I guess I am wondering who does the choosing and how.
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:47 ] Samira Kernher > "The voluval is said to be chosen by the spirits, it is a revelation of your soul, in a sense."
[ 2014.05.16 03:19:59 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Hrm... interesting.
[ 2014.05.16 03:20:51 ] Samira Kernher > "Scientifically, I believe the formula works by encouraging the body to develop uh... to develop a birthmark. What forms is based on your emotional state at the time."
[ 2014.05.16 03:22:08 ] Samira Kernher > "The shape that forms can symbolize many things."
[ 2014.05.16 03:22:14 ] Samira Kernher > "shamans learn how to read them."
[ 2014.05.16 03:22:37 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote nods.
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:00 ] Samira Kernher > "Certain marks mean good things, some mean bad things, and certain places are more or less important."
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:04 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > "Well.. it seems I should study them then.. it may assist in evaluating minmater capsuleers perhaps."
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:21 ] Samira Kernher > "Karin Midular had the most important one. It was on the face, and was the Ray of Matar."
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:33 ] Samira Kernher > "Well, they aren't always someplace visible."
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:40 ] Samira Kernher > "Mine... ehm, was on my back."
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:47 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > The Pale Eye certainly fits Mr. Alfraldir but I wonder if the mark shows the person or the person is affected by the mark to act up to its expectations
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:51 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Oh. I see.
[ 2014.05.16 03:23:57 ] Samira Kernher > "I think it's both."
[ 2014.05.16 03:25:53 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote looks thoughtful but does not comment further.
[ 2014.05.16 03:28:54 ] Esna Pitoojee > This corresponds with what I understand of their culture. While some sort of latent psychological profiling may be involved, a great deal is also reflective of treatment they receieve in the aftermath - a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[ 2014.05.16 03:29:14 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > /emote nods.
[ 2014.05.16 03:29:54 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Is there a place where one can discern what the different tattoos common to capsuleers mean?
[ 2014.05.16 03:30:54 ] Samira Kernher > "The ones you typically see are naming tattoos, not voluvals."
[ 2014.05.16 03:31:08 ] Samira Kernher > "They depict the tribe, clan, sub-clan, and family."
[ 2014.05.16 03:31:43 ] Esna Pitoojee > /emote shakes his head > No solid database as best I know... which isn't entirely surprising, I think. It was bad enough in their minds that the Federation youth adopted some as fads.
[ 2014.05.16 03:31:48 ] Samira Kernher > "Surionen's is the standard Sebiestor tribal tattoo with some alterations for her clan."
[ 2014.05.16 03:31:56 ] Esna Pitoojee > I do not think they can bear to think about what capsuleers would do with full knowledge of the Voluval.
[ 2014.05.16 03:32:24 ] Samira Kernher > "Surionen or Siikanen would be good to ask if you want to learn about voluvals and their meanings... they are shamans."
[ 2014.05.16 03:34:10 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > Ok, thank you.
[ 2014.05.16 03:35:55 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > I didn't realize there was a difference, as well.
[ 2014.05.16 03:36:14 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > between naming tattoos and.. Voluval ones.
[ 2014.05.16 03:36:19 ] Samira Kernher > "There are voluvals, naming tattoos, rank tattoos, life tattoos..."
[ 2014.05.16 03:37:12 ] Samira Kernher > "Voluvals are the first real ones you get. They're more like induced birthmarks than tattoos like I said. Once you have your voluval your clan and tribe can give you your naming tattoo."
[ 2014.05.16 03:37:24 ] Samira Kernher > "And any time you do something significant, you can be given a tattoo commemorating the event."
[ 2014.05.16 03:37:41 ] Samira Kernher > "Those are life tattoos, or rank tattoos."
[ 2014.05.16 03:38:05 ] Samira Kernher > "The naming ones are typically on the face but not always."
[ 2014.05.16 03:38:16 ] Samira Kernher > "Voluvals can appear anywhere. The other ones can be put anywhere."
[ 2014.05.16 03:38:28 ] Lunarisse Aspenstar > I see. And the naming ones are generally the ones I see in capsuleer portraits.
[ 2014.05.16 03:38:39 ] Samira Kernher > "Yeah."